How can PMs strike a balance between prioritizing customers and KPIs to ensure long-term success and growth? In this episode of the Product Awards series with Ticketmaster Fmr VP of Product Andrew Zavattero, Clearspeed PM Justin Fowler speaks on prioritizing customers over KPIs and shares his journey from business owner to product manager. Discover the importance of building essential solutions, how ClearSpeed uses AI for vetting, and their groundbreaking Voice Analytics technology. Justin emphasizes the value of responsible AI deployment, human oversight, and the role of AI as an early warning system. Learn about his accidental path to product management and valuable insights for success, including effective communication and collaboration.

Subscribe to the Product Talk podcast on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and catch every conversation with leading product executives. Episodes drop on Wednesdays.


Show Notes

  1. Justin shares his journey from business owner to product manager, highlighting the challenges he faced and his passion for the field.
  2. Challenges in vetting people for security clearances in the military include the risk of “green on blue attacks.”
  3. Clearspeed uses AI to speed up and improve the vetting process with high accuracy.
  4. The product is compared to a horse and buggy vs. a Tesla, highlighting differences in purpose and method.
  5. Responsible deployment is stressed, not just focusing on outcomes but also appropriate responses to alerts.
  6. They discuss the challenges of building something new without a template or standard.
  7. AI is an enabler to speed up processes, not the primary focus of the product.
  8. AI can automate manual tasks like scoring or adjudication for increased efficiency.
  9. Clearspeed uses AI to analyze voice patterns and detect deception with a focus on ground truth and continuous improvement.
  10. Universal truths emerge from the technology, such as indicators of lying or truthfulness.
  11. AI is more effective as an early warning system or identification tool, not a sole adjudication method.
  12. Justin’s journey to product management was accidental, with a mix of on-the-job training and formal education.
  13. He adapted quickly to new problems and challenges in fast-paced environments.
  14. He advises becoming part of product management communities to learn and build camaraderie.
  15. He emphasizes the importance of consuming and contributing to content and reaching out to other product managers for support.
  16. Intellectual curiosity and self-awareness are necessary in product management.
  17. Effective visualization and communication of ideas are time-savers in product management.
  18. Being a good middleman, understanding the problem, and finding solutions by building upon existing work.
  19. Collaboration and quickly creating low-fi prototypes are important in product.
  20. Balance compromise and patience when working with stakeholders.

About the speaker
Justin Fowler Clearspeed, Product Manager Member

Recognized with the 2023 PM Award from Products That Count, I bring nearly a decade of experience driving product management for B2B SaaS solutions to the table. My journey has instilled in me a deep understanding of the entire product development lifecycle — from ideation to post-release iteration. As a product leader at Clearspeed and NinjaRater, I've directed the creation and enhancement of AI-driven applications for industries such as voice fraud detection and insurance sales. My core strengths lie in streamlining the product-market fit process, designing compelling user experiences, and carving out new revenue avenues. My holistic product management approach is deeply rooted in user-centric design, underscored by rigorous research and data-driven decisions. In every endeavor, whether leading product research, devising go-to-market strategies, or forging consensus among varied stakeholders, my ultimate aim is to deliver solutions that resolve real-world challenges and fuel business growth. An academic foundation in Industrial Psychology combined with an MBA in Finance equips me with a unique perspective on product development: blending an understanding of human behavior with the financial nuances of every strategic move.

About the host
Andrew Zavattero Green Dog Advisory, Founder & Product Advisor

Andrew is an inclusive, innovative, action-oriented B2B2C SaaS/Marketplace product strategist and leader with an extensive track record of successfully defining and executing 0 to 1 products with multi-million dollar ROI’s for world class brands including Chase, FTD, Fanatics, Groupon, and Ticketmaster. He lives each day to build game changing products in order to solve customer problems leading to increased engagement and revenue growth.

Provide your rating for this post
If you liked this post, please use the buttons to the left to share it with a friend or post it on social media. Thank you!

Leave a Reply

Read more

H&R Block Product VP on Building Customer-Focused Teams

H&R Block Product VP Vanessa Jupe explores how data, research, and ingenuity can help build creative, customer-focused teams.

Noom Product Lead on Unlocking Insights From Customers

Be a chameleon to your user base. Absorb their feelings and need, and infuse that throughout the design and prioritization processes.

Mastercard VP of Product Management on Adopting a Customer-First Mindset to Product

Mastercard VP of Product Management Dana Rosenberg shares how to be customer-first and drive tangible, metric-based product outcomes.

Sign-in / Register for Free

Don’t be left behind in your career. Join a growing community of over 500K Product professionals committed to building great products. Register for FREE today and get access to :

  • All eBooks
  • All Infographics
  • Product Award resources
  • Search for other members

Coming soon for members only: personalized content, engagement, and networking.